RED BULLS VS. SEATTLE SOUNDERS: POST MATCH

A home draw breaks a five-match losing streak for New York.  Juan Pablo Angel scores for the first time in four matches (the last home match against Colorado on May 30), but a Jeremy Hall miscue allows Seattle to level the match in first half stoppage time.  This meeting was much more even than the first meeting between these teams, but not enough for three points at home.  RBR caught up with Juan Carlos Osorio, Danny Cepero, Jeremy Hall, and Juan Pablo Angel after the match to get their reaction.

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28 Responses to “RED BULLS VS. SEATTLE SOUNDERS: POST MATCH”

  1. kahlva Says:

    How friggin classy is Angel??

    All players should learn from how he acts.

  2. Lou Says:

    You mean when he walks and limps around the field screaming at other players while he misses easy goals? Yeah i agree every player should learn to act like that.

  3. kofix5 Says:

    Not true Lou. Angel’s demeanor on the field and in the interview is completely different than it over the last few weeks. That attitude adjustment should be acknowledged.

    Hall played great last night. He made a mistake and its true not the only one, but this one was against Montero. The highest scoring player in Colombia last year and one of the best strikers in MLS this year. He makes defenders make mistakes. Jeremy got taught a lesson. He’ll learn from it. BTW- the same exact thing happened to Zimmerman the other week. He’s a rookie and a solid soccer player. I loved it when he stuffed Zakuani on the 18 in the first half. He played a very strong game.

    Zimmerman, I can’t wait to see this guy score from distance. His shots are almost always on target and come in hot. His crosses are smart and dangerous. He’s one heck of an addition to our team and I’m happy to see him on the field.

    Don’t worry people. The curse of the last minute breakdown will be lifted. And if we come in last this year its not the end of the world. We’ll have 3 first round draft picks next year and if we do come in dead last we’ll have first pick after Portland and Vancouver.

  4. Lou Says:

    “Not true Lou. Angel’s demeanor on the field and in the interview is completely different than it over the last few weeks. That attitude adjustment should be acknowledged.”

    They showed quite a few clips of angel having an arguement with carlos mendes, as well as him limping around the field at around the 60th minute, and walking the whole game. Some could write off his dispute with mendes as him merely trying to tell him something except that it went on the whole night. That all happened tonight so he hasn’t really changed, he may be in a better mood because he scored, but the prima donna attitude was still clearly there. His attitude may be different in the interview than when he is on the field because he got a goal, but the “center of the universe” atitude is still there on the field and to me that’s the area of his personality that matters most right now.

    “Jeremy got taught a lesson. He’ll learn from it.”
    Well considering the fact that this sort of playing breakdown has happened numerous times already, i would have to say that they are either not learning from their mistakes or they are just extremely slow learners. I don’t see how this could be looked at as a good result, we need to win and for every game we don’t win we see our play off chances slip out the door. If we can’t take three points against a tired team at home, than when will we take three points out of a match?

  5. Erik Says:

    Lou. Yes Angel is obviously hurt and out of form. But he is one of the view real leaders on the field. What you see as arguing I see as trying to put players in their place and coaching them. During a game there is no time for a polite discussion. To me it is clear that the team misses a clear leader on the field. You need some one in the center of the midfield or defense to lead the team and direct players that are out of position. Celades, Stammler, Goldy, Petke and Cepero seems to concentrate to much on their own tasks. So many times with corner kicks you would see montero just stand behind Cepero with out being marked and no one seemed to even notice him. So many time you see Stammler and Celades just not look at what the other one is doing leaving players unmarked. So angel yelling at the defense should not be seen as negative in my eyes. But yes he is missing 100% chances at the moment and that is frustrating to see as a fan.

  6. Lou Says:

    Erik, for me their is a fine line between yelling and leading. One doesn’t nescessarily entail the other. If he is just trying to lead, why doesn’t he let his actions do the talking for him. He shows no heart on the field, he instructs others to push and do better and than walks the whole game, and misses chance after chance. Shouldn’t he get his own game into check before he starts to critique others on theirs? That seems hypocrytical. If he is injured than he should do the right thing and step down for a while, maybe if he gets healthy he can have a great second have of a season like last year. That’s great that he is a professionial in interviews but that won’t help us get a win on wednesday.

  7. jason Says:

    what is a matter with you lou angel is one of the best players on the team by a mile so stop critizising him

  8. Lou Says:

    He is one of the best players on the team, and in the league jason you’re right and i never said he wasn’t, but just because he is doesn’t mean he can behave any way he wants to. If you’re the captain of the team you should be showing more heart and determination than anyone else. If stammler or kandji walked around the field the whole game missing shot after shot would you want them to remain on the field? Why than is it ok for angel to do it?
    Would you want stammler and kandji or anyone else to play if that was the way they behaved?
    The fact that he is one of the best players in the league and yet only has five goals despite being one of the league leaders in shots should tell you he either isn’t trying or is injured. If he is injured he has no business being on the field, he should be resting and trying to get fit so we can see the old angel back on the field. Like shep messing said when angel had that open header, the angel of last year would have at least put it on goal.
    If the case is that he isn’t trying than we should be giving someone who actually wants to play a chance. I love angel, i think he is a tremendous player but i also don’t appreciate when pro athletes sign huge contracts and take what they have for granted. If that’s what angel is doing than i would be extremely dissapointed in him.

  9. kofix5 Says:

    I respect your point of view Lou but you are stating your perception of what he was saying and his tone of voice etc. I am more inclined to agree with Erik. My perception is that he was coaching him. As captain of the team Angel is the center of the team. On the field if he has an opinion or an idea or a critique, you listen to him.
    I was at the game. While I couldn’t hear what he said, I was watching him the whole time and he played and acted differently from before. More positive. He did a lot more running. And instead of being just annoyed and pissed about the team’s miscues and shaking his head and walking away, he found an opportunity to let players know what his point of view was. I like that. I see that as positive change.

    “Playoffs? Playoffs? Ha, you wanna talk about playoffs? Sheesh, playoffs”
    – one of my favorite lines from a Bud Lite commercial

  10. Lou Says:

    Maybe he is starting to change his attitude, I can’t agree or disagree because i wasn’t at the game so i couldn’t see him the whole time. But i do know that i didn’t appreciate the angel of the first half of the season for the reasons i previously gave, hopefully that angel is gone and we’ll see on wednesday.

  11. Jason Says:

    it just seems that you (Lou) is allways critisising angel with every post

  12. Jason Says:

    also that i think angel is hurt and needs to tell someone or his carrer will go down the drain fast

  13. Lou Says:

    Well yeah i am criticising him with every post, that’s because as i’ve said i don’t like the type of player he was the first half of the year. But apparently you agree with me Jason, because you’re last post said the same thing i have.

  14. Jason Says:

    i just think he needs to give more effort not think he should be benched

  15. Alle Says:

    Angel was indeed coaching Mendes and giving him advice. The tone of voice was justified, he’s the captain, if he needs to do that then he isn’t at fault. Although, I think he should move his arse more as well – that goal yesterday was given to him on a plate and he took advantage – thankfully!

  16. NJMetrostars Says:

    I’m going to have to agree with Lou here. I think Angel should be benched for a game and let Woly get a shot at starting. If Angel is injured why force him to play. It’s not like we are winning games here or we are not close to grab a playoff spot at this rate. I rather have him rest up and not injure him more so he won’t be able to play next year not saying i’m giving up this year but lets be realistic here it is going to be very hard to get a playoff spot so just bench him and let him heal up

  17. Lou Says:

    If he was just coaching mendes that;s one thing, but before he goes and critiques other players he should get his own game in check. It’s hypocrytical of him to tell other players how to play yet he has managed to miss countless easy oppurtunities. As captain he should let his playing do the talking before he moves on to using his words.

  18. kofix5 Says:

    It wouldn’t hurt to give Woly a shot at a full 90 on wednesday since TFC will no doubt be winded from the 6-1 annihilation of the Impact on thursday.
    If we can bring out the same line-up we took to Toronto on the 13th, with Woly in place of Angel it would give us a good look at what he brings to the pitch in a broader sense. But given his age and past career history I still think its imperative we find a young hungry striker who can make an immediate impact. In terms of the future I think we need to find a striker this summer to give him time to develop into a major player for this team.

  19. Cindy Says:

    Mendes needed to be yelled at, he lost the plot quite a few times yesterday. I also agree with the sentiment that you can’t really expect leaders not to be yelling on field. I’ve always felt you can be calm about direction in intense games.

  20. DS Says:

    If Angel thinks he is fit enough to play, he is going to play. There is not one coach in MLS that wouldn’t put him on the field. You say he isn’t running hard enough, that’s he’s complaining too much, that he isn’t working, and that he is missing what you think are easy chances. But he is still our leading scorer, he is still our captain, and if he is as injured as he seems, he is leading by example, putting the team before his own health. Last season we did not start off this badly and we had a much large roster, less injuries, less suspensions, and less international call-ups. It gave him the opportunity to take off a few games and get back to fuller fitness.

    Right now we need everything and anything we can get, and we don’t have enough players to cover for any more injuries/suspensions. As Boyens comes back we will be losing Richards and Pacheco to the Gold Cup. Johnson isn’t close to healed and we made 3 subs last night because players weren’t fit enough to continue, not to mention Angel and Hall both struggling to be fit enough for the match to begin with. We don’t have the man power to let anyone take a break. If they can play, they will play. And I don’t blame Osorio and Agoos for this, I blame the league, for forcing the teams to bring the roster down from 28 to 24. Those 4 roster slots would have made a huge difference so far this season.

  21. Alle Says:

    Agreed, that’s another thing that puts a strain on the team, this stupid roster downgrade, what the hell were they thinking..

    When does the transfer window open for MLS teams? I know I’ve seen it somewhere, I just can’t remember.

  22. Metro boy till da day I die Says:

    Angel just needs a game off n see how the team plays n see if he has to make adjustments on his game. Also he is having a horrible season finishing n injured or not that is not acceptable, especially as our leading goal scorer . Woly should play with kandji up front n let’s see what happens. They both run hard n never give up n always on side unlike angel who is offsides on a average 30 times a game. He just needs a game off. Zimmerman is exactly an example of osorio not noticing true talent. He should have started since game 1. Richards is just plain horrible!! It made NO sense to giving him a raise, we should have traded him . Khano is unblv, I knew that was gonna b a waste. N to complain about playing time when he hasn’t accomplished much was very childish n shows how selfish he is. Osorio I think is starting to realize that this team is not a team that should b invoked with lots of rotation but rather set formations to build chemistry. I think over the next 2 weeks, he will improve his coaching. This is fairly a new team n even though that is not an excuse, I see us doing well later on. Wether it will b to late or not doesn’t matter anymore, what matters is how we will open up red bull arena next season. Cuz everyone knows this, the metro red bull supporters deserved this for a long time. Sorry for the long post lol

  23. Lou Says:

    “You say he isn’t running hard enough, that’s he’s complaining too much, that he isn’t working, and that he is missing what you think are easy chances. But he is still our leading scorer, he is still our captain, and if he is as injured as he seems, he is leading by example, putting the team before his own health”

    Ok first of all being the leading scorer on this team is nothing to brag about, having scored five goals when he is capable of having twice as many at this point is something i wouldn’t be proud off. He is missing easy chances, and getting a lot of them, he just isn’t the same angel of previous years. Putting the team before is healthy isn’t something a veteran player should be doing and i don’t consider that a decision a leader should make. First of all he is risking recieving a more severe injury, and he isn’t giving himself the proper time to get back in full form. We’re not going to get anywhere this season, so why not rest a game or two and than comeback with full strength because a healthy angel is a hell of a lot better than a 50 percent angel.

    “Right now we need everything and anything we can get, and we don’t have enough players to cover for any more injuries/suspensions. As Boyens comes back we will be losing Richards and Pacheco to the Gold Cup. Johnson isn’t close to healed and we made 3 subs last night because players weren’t fit enough to continue, not to mention Angel and Hall both struggling to be fit enough for the match to begin with. We don’t have the man power to let anyone take a break.”

    Those are all valid points, but no one said angel had to rest right away. He should have done it a while ago when our season was still relevant, but because of the shortage of players i wouldn’t expect him to rest at this moment. Johnson will be fit to practice in 2 to 3 weeks according to something i read on another sight, hall is healthy that hip flexor was a minor thing, and once boyens comes back and the transfer window opens we can get some fresh faces in. So in a months time I would assume our roster would be healthy enough to give angel a break. You have to think about more than this season, angel isn’t going to get any younger and so if we want him healthy for next season we are going to have to consider his long term health. What if he were to injur himself with something so severe he decides he has to call it quits. At his age i wouldn’t be surprised if that happened.

  24. DS Says:

    “We’re not going to get anywhere this season, so why not rest a game or two and than comeback”

    “no one said angel had to rest right away. He should have done it a while ago”

    “So in a months time I would assume our roster would be healthy enough to give angel a break.”

    Wait should he take a break now, or in a month, or should he have already taken it? I don’t understand.

  25. Lou Says:

    The first quote says that he can take a rest because our team isn’t exactly going anywhere we can afford to play without him.

    the second one says that that rest doesn’t nescessarily have to be right away because this isn’t the best time beacuse we may struggle to field a lineup if we have another player rest. The optimal time to have rested him was a while ago when he first started to play badly.

    the third one says that if we want to rest angel and still field a team we should probibly wait until our roster is stable like maybe in a month’s time.

    In other words we missed our best oppurtunity to rest him, but that doesn’t mean we still shouldn’t try to rest him so he can get healthy. Maybe that time will come in a month or so when we have a more complete roster. I didn’t think that was that hard to decyfer DS.

  26. DJ ONLII1 Says:

    ANGEL HAD A GOOD GAME, WE JUST NEED A CREATIVE MIDFIELDER THAT CAN MOVE AROUND AND CHANGE THE GAME AROUND, AND MAYB A LIL MORE WORK ON THE DEFENSE. IDUNNO IF U GUYS NOTICE BUT Y DOES THE REDBULL DEFENDERS ALWAYS OPEN UP TO A FOWARD AND LETS HIM SHOOT, I ALWAYS NOTICE THAT, OR IS IT JUST ME.

  27. Lou Says:

    Sure we could get a good attacking midfielder to help out, but the problem is the amount of service angel is recieving because he is a league leader in total shots. He just doesn’t finish nearly as well as he used to.

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