Red Bulls Reader interviewed Red Bulls Salzburg Sporting Director Heinz Hochhauser on April 22, 2009 at a Red Bull New York training session, and asked him about Red Bull Salzburg’s season to date, Marc Janko’s chase for the Golden Boot (he has scored 35 goals and is neck and neck with Barcelona’s Samuel Eto’o), Red Bull Salzburg’s new coach (they have hired Dutchman Huud Stevens for next year), and Red Bull’s commitment to soccer worldwide (there is a team in Brazil as well as Academy’s around the world).
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April 30, 2009 at 4:31 PM |
Everytime a fan suggests a name change for the club the red bull new york front office says, “we are trying to build a global image”.
Ok fine if that is your goal than allow the red bull teams to play each other on a regular basis. Build a partnership between the sibling clubs before you set your eyes on the rest of the world.
The Austrian league isn’t very good in terms of quality of play (perhaps a notch under mls maybe dead even) and has very few teams, but this red bull salzburg team consistnetly dominates their league table and their opponents. They really are class and miles ahead of anyone else in their league. I would hope that they would be willing to play us (possibly destroying us in the process) in order to motivate us to get to their level.
The effort Red Bull puts into red bull salburg in order to improve the team is astounding when compaired to what they do for red bull new york. I understand we are getting a stadium, but red bull salzburg has a stadium, training facility, word class players like vonlanthen and Mark Janko, and a world class manager in Huub Stevens (who was a mainstay in the bundeliga managing many succesful clubs there). It’s not like they have been around for so much longer than we have, their first season as red bull salzburg was in 2005.
I think we need to bring in a high ranking manager in order to attract some of these seasoned european players. I’m not saying we will be able to get Jürgen Klinsmann, but he is worth a shot at getting. I know this may sound cliche or whatever, but this is new york and if your going to own a team here you better be ready to take criticism and build on it. What works for the rest of the mls isn’t necessarily going to work or be exceptable here. We’ve dealt with so many years of losing, and maybe now with an owner like red bull we will finaly be able to recieve the cash influx that we need to become more succesful, but if that is the case they sure are taking thier sweet time doing it.
Oh and Good luck to Janko.
April 30, 2009 at 9:29 PM |
I wonder if you remember the last time we played RBS (well, their reserves). We had a ridiculously chippy match that ended with Dane Richards missing a few months. Yeah, that was great.
April 30, 2009 at 9:31 PM |
Plus, I’m sure Vonlanthen and Janko would love to play in MLS for $300,000, and Huub Stevens was about to apply for the New York position before coming to Salzburg.
My point is that Red Bull is working within the restrictions of MLS, which are extremely severe.
April 30, 2009 at 9:52 PM |
Los angelas found ways around the restrictions for the rite price, and I;m sure we can as well. We played the reserves and if my memory serves me rite we ended up losing. If we weren’t good enough to beat the second team than that should be a message to how far off we really are. Besides that match was anythign but professionial, what i want is an internationial friendly of sorts at a gaints stadium or in salzburg in front of a crowd, with promossion and all sorts of other things. It doesn’t really matter how bad someone got last time we played them, the fact still remains that they are our sister club and we don’t even have a relationship with them or our own fans, yet the FO is calling for a global soccer relationship and identity. Baby steps first.
April 30, 2009 at 10:05 PM |
I have an idea, lets take the salzburg team and field them in mls, they wear the same jerseys, I wont tell if you dont.
May 1, 2009 at 12:09 AM |
Igor is talking some sense. Lou, you claim that Red Bull as the team name works against us, so how exactly would Red Bull Salzburg be a draw here in this same market?
You really can’t think that the fact that RBS is doing so well means that RB doesn’t care about RBNY. If MLS was run like the Austrian Bundesliga we would be in a very different situation. But it’s not run the same way, so they can only do so much.
May 1, 2009 at 6:02 AM |
Actually i claim the team name red bull works against only becuase it doesn’t promote individuality, but red bull claims they have a reason behind their madness. They say they are going for a global soccer identity by naming their teams the same name. If that’s the case than let’s see some intiative otherwise we are just stuck with this stupid name for nothing. Maybe some trades in between Red Bull teams or friendlys at giants stadium or something, anything is better than nothing. I also didn’t say RB doesn’t care about us, i said they care more about RBS, everyone always has their price and like the league made exceptions for LA, they can do it for us to. IF red bull really wants to take this team to another level soccer wise but the league rules are prohibiting them from doing so, than there has to be some kind of campaign they can launch to pressure mls to reformate some rules. Rules have been changed and broken before, why not know? Also other teams have found ways to dominate the league without breaking the salary cap rules i.e. chivas or seattle, so if the rules can’t be changed just yet there are still means to improve the team without spending to much money.
May 1, 2009 at 9:05 AM |
If we had a team that won consistently, nobody would be debating the team name. You could call them the NY Dung Beetles, and I’d still cheer them on if they were winning.
May 1, 2009 at 10:34 AM |
So Lou, let me get this straight, do you like the name or not? You say it’s terrible and you want to change it, now it’s not so bad but it’s not individual enough? Like the other MLS team names are unique.
I don’t think they care about RBS more, it’s just that they can do more with RBS, and they had a pretty good base to build from when they took over. When they came here they didn’t have much to work with, and with the constraints of MLS it’s tough. I would love the rules to change, but that isn’t going to happen very quickly, if at all.
Also, HH said in the interview that the academies in Ghana and Brazil are meant to bring players into the two main teams, RBS and RBNY.
May 1, 2009 at 3:46 PM |
“So Lou, let me get this straight, do you like the name or not? You say it’s terrible and you want to change it, now it’s not so bad but it’s not individual enough?”
I never said i liked the name, or even came close to saying that. I just figured why bother argueing about changing the name if red bull is set in their ways. Why do you keep assuming things? Read what i write and you will have your answers. I said that the name is not unique it doesn’t reflect us and red bull refuses to change it. They refuse to change it because they say they are going for a global soccer image. So if that is their arguement the least they can do is support it with action. If they’re only reason for keeping the name the way it is for the previos reason i mentioned than don’t you think things should be done to connect us with our austrian brothers. As it stands now we are just a soccer team that shares the same name as some european club and nothing more. If it weren’t for the name we would have nothing in common with them.
“Like the other MLS team names are unique. ”
Well actually they are, i haven’t heard of another team in the league named after a corporation or that shares the same name as another club somewhere else in the world.
“Also, HH said in the interview that the academies in Ghana and Brazil are meant to bring players into the two main teams, RBS and RBNY.”
He can say all he wants but so far i have not heard about any ghanian or brazilian players making our first team or their first team for that matter. I understand it will be hard for them to make the first team with the rules the mls has, so than it really is only going to be able to aid the progression of the austrian team. Let’s see them starts some intiatives that will only aid our team than.
“I would love the rules to change, but that isn’t going to happen very quickly, if at all.”
Again the rules don’t nescessarily have to change, it isn’t like the only way we can dominate this league is by spending boat loads of money, we can find ways to make a dominate team like seattle or chivas with the current rules, and if we couldn’t find a way to build a dominate team that way than as i said before, everyone has their price as LA demonstrated the last few years, MLS will bend for the money.
May 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM |
Lou none of your comments on this site make any sense. It seems like you are contradicting yourself constantly. You say that we should try to get the MLS to bend the rules so we can be like the Galaxy. Yeah, that’s exactly who I want to be like. They became a poster for the league’s profits and failed miserably on the pitch and are now in a huge hole without Becks.
A loss against RBS would motivate us how? And would motivate who? I don’t think Dane was motivated by knee surgery, or the ownership was motivated to spend more money that they can’t use on more quality players. You realize there’s a salary cap, right?
It is way too early in the season to judge this team. I think JCO has put together a good group with depth. It is absolutely ridiculous for people to call for him to be fired already. I can’t believe it when I read that bullsh*t. Learn from the past, stability is key. Maybe his lineups havent been consistent lately but we are not fit. This team will be good. Guaranteed.
May 1, 2009 at 5:25 PM |
I honestly don’t think the name matters. Like Another Matt said, as long as they are consistently playing at a level NY fans want then I could care less what we’re called. Red Bull backing the club has brought us Juan Pablo Angel, a new stadium and most important of all, a future of possibilites. It is still to be seen whether we keep moving in the right direction, but I for one aren’t giving up on them as true supporter.
Shut up about Red Bull owning the team, its a good thing…
May 1, 2009 at 5:34 PM |
agreed Mentz and Another Matt.
May 1, 2009 at 5:44 PM |
“A loss against RBS would motivate us how? And would motivate who? I don’t think Dane was motivated by knee surgery, or the ownership was motivated to spend more money that they can’t use on more quality players. You realize there’s a salary cap, right?”
It’s not that a lose would motivate us, it’s that we have a sibling team that we never play. what kind of relationship is that. What kind of “global soccer identity” are we making. What was the point in mentioning that thing about Dane. Are you trying to say that Dane will need knee surgery after every match against them? He got hurt in that game, lot’s of players have been hurt in lots of games. So another words you saying we should forget about playing our sibling team becuase we will lose and Dane Richards got hurt one time?
I didn’t say we should end up being like the galaxy they are horrible obviously. I said that if the galaxy can bend the salary cap rules which ever way they want than why can’t we?
How can you possibly guarantee we will be good, this team has never been consistent, you guaranteeing this team will be good is one step under claiming to be able to tell the future.
I don’t see how i can possible be contradicting myself, i’ve never spoken about this subject before. If people would learn to read than there wouldn’t be much of a problem. I’ve disagreed with people in the past and that has made them mad at me, it seems like the same group of people that always have something to call me out on, yet when i do the same people say something about it.
And Mentz I’m not really sure if you are responding to me when you said
“Shut up about Red Bull owning the team, its a good thing…”
But if you are than you really don’t know what i’ve written in the past. In the question and answer segment with erik stover you can find me praising red bull for all they’ve done and admitting it has been far more than any other owner has done for us, but that I think the name is keeping alot of old fans away.
That’s pretty much my belief, red bull should own the team they can name the stadium what they want, they can sponser our jerseys but why do they have to take it further than any other managment group of any team by naming the club after there selves? Erik stover’s respons to me when i asked him that was that he was trying to build a global soccer identity, well if that is the case than let’s go back to the beginning and say how? They can have their global soccer identity becuase it’s clear they aren’t going to listne to any fans about changing the name but we don’t even play Red Bull Salzburg the other team owned by red bull yet the FO wants to make this a global thing.
May 1, 2009 at 5:48 PM |
So Chivas USA, Real Salt Lake, DC United, FC Dallas and Toronto FC are original? No. Really, you haven’t seen any players from the Ghanaian and Brazilian academies? They just started them, you want everything done right away, but the problem is that you change what it is you want all the time. Like TMK said, stability is what we need. We have an owner who cares about the team and is in it for the long haul. JPA signed a new contract in the off season, and a second year with the same coach is almost mind-boggling with this franchise. Lets see where RB and Osorio take us, besides already getting to MLS Cup for the first time, a trophy, and winning 2 out of the three playoff series we have ever won.
You keep talking about Seattle and Chivas being examples, well Chivas has been getting better every year since they showed up, so over 5 or 6 years they have built a team that is now doing really well. SSFC cannot be used as an example yet, they have not been around long enough to judge, would I have liked to have a start to a season like theirs? Yes, but I’m not going to judge them until the end of October. Look at the Crew, Sigi came in and built a team over 3 seasons and then dominated. When you think about the teams that have done well over multiple season it was based on stability. Original SJ and Houston winning all those championships, NE making Cup so many times in the past few seasons, the scum that won’t be mentioned in the beginning of MLS, those teams were built over time and had stability in coaches and players. That is what we need more than anything, stability, and a coach who is given enough time to build a team.
May 1, 2009 at 6:44 PM |
DS you keep preaching to me about stability yet i don’t recall ever saying that we should be getting rid of anyone. You’re going to tell me with all honesty that those names above are no more originial than a energy company name? You’re not going to here me disagree about stablity the most i wanted changed was a name that i think many people want. I keep saying that red bull have been great owners and i’ve listed the reason why. Eveyrone says that the red bull organization got us to the finals, won us some silver ware, ok but did we really do that on skill or on luck? As far as i’m concerned the trophy was great but you can’t count that season as something osorio got us, if anything it was the player’s drive and determination. As for Osorio, I amazed how you can say let’s see where he can take us becuase i don’t recall a single person saying that he should be kept or that he was doing a good job earlier this season.
You sit there telling me what my problem is, and i find that funny becuase your not without fault. I’m tired of you and a few others calling me out, saying I change my mind or whatever, find me a contradiction i made (one that you haven;t misread) and i’m sure that if you find one of mine i can find one of yours.
“JPA signed a new contract in the off season, and a second year with the same coach is almost mind-boggling with this franchise.” I find that funnny becuase many people on this site have said that’s a bad thing becuase now he doesn’t hustle becuase he is set for th rest of his career.
I’ve never changed what i believe about this club no matter what you or any onent to say. i have always supported the team no matter what managment they are under, i have praised red bull for the job they have done on the stadium and criticized them on things like marketing. I, like everyone else have asked osorio to stop changing the lineups around because like you say stability is what is important. When he failed to keep the lineup consistent and we continued to make stupid mistakes and lose i said his head should be on the chopping block because although firing a coach may disrupte stability, keeping one like him in charge of us is going to be far more detrimental to our team’s cohesiveness. If he can make up his mind than fine because i think he can be a good coach but otherwise what need to we have for someone like him especially when someone like you holds something like stability so near and dear to his heart. If you don’t believe that i have been consistent with what i have said than maybe you can read other comments you’ll find everything i’ve just said here in many other places on this site.
May 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM |
I have bee saying since the beginning to not judge the team yet, and to not judge Osorio, despite most fans being on his back from opening day, I was never one of them. Also, you can’t say that Osorio had nothing to do with the playoff run. He is the one who inspires the players to have drive and determination, he is also the one who chose who was going to be on the field. He brought in some players that didn’t do well and he benched them as they should have been. Some say it was all on luck, but you can’t win 3-0 only on luck. Osorio put the team out that won in Houston and RSL and played extremely well in the final. I think he tinkers too much, but a lot of it has been forced on him. We have had a year and a half of injuries, and surgeries, and suspensions, there is only so much he can do. Also, with having 5 matches in 15 days, do you really want him to play the same 11 for all of them? Would that really be the best plan of attack?
And no, using the name of where you are and adding FC, Real, or United is completely original. Or how about Chivas, that’s a one of a kind name if I’ve every heard one.
May 2, 2009 at 7:39 AM |
awesome interview. Its always good to hear plans from the other side of the pond…now about those webcams at RBA?
May 2, 2009 at 9:35 AM |
i think the changes in the lineups of these early games aren’t so much the forecast for the rest of the season, mostly because we have had a very crowded schedule early on and also with having so many games changes have to be made all the time.
also if Osorio benching and changing players causes them to play better (like Richards against RSL and Rojas against DC and Borman all the time) because they are actually competing for a spot then so be it.
i’m definitely of the mindset that this club needs a coach for a longer time span then a year or two.
May 2, 2009 at 11:20 AM |
“Also, with having 5 matches in 15 days, do you really want him to play the same 11 for all of them? Would that really be the best plan of attack? ”
Actually yes DS i would love to have the same XI every game. With that sentence above, you make it seems as though he is only changing the lineup around becuase we have so many games in a short amount of time, but the truth is as you know, that he always messes with the lineup regardless of how many games we have to play. Yea he put in the lineups that won us the houston and Salt lake games, but he also put in the lineups for every games that season and we lost quite a bit, just because he got a lineup that worked for once doesn’t mean it was all his doing. Those wins should be put on the shoulders of angel, VDB, and woly. All the best teams in the world have a stable lineup, with the same players playing game in and game out unless injuries disrupt that. If injuries force osorio to take players out of games and change the lineup, than no one gets made at him, but when he does it because he thinks he sees something, or wants to try something out, and we lose (which he does every other week) than he should be given hell.
I can’t think of any major european manager that operates the way Osorio does.
It’s true richards was benched Cindy but when Dane came back from the bench did he really play all that much better? And if he did play better was he up to a starting XI standard?
DS you can debate with me all you want about the names, FC dallas, chivas USA, DC united, but until a team comes into the league like philadelphia blue Coca Cola, you really don’t have much of an arguement.
Cindy I’m with you I would love to have a coach be able to stay here longer than the amount of time that they have historically been, but if the coach is just going to tinker and bring in largely useless foreign players that eat up salary space, than i really don’t think we have a reason to keep him. I would like a good coach to be here more than 2 years, if they aren’t competent and we can already see that, than why keep him.
DS you want stability correct? And you believe we should keep things as they are and not get rid of Osorio correct? Do you believe we could win a championship with this current roster, because if you don’t believe that than you are like me who believes we still need to do some things if we want to get there. If Osorio gets his act to gether than fine keep him why wouldn’t we, if our lineupS start to win games than fine keep them, but i’m not going to sit here and give them the year to work things out, if they don’t work by the transfer window than make some moves.
I have the perfect replacement for Khano, Cristian Castillo national team teammate of pacheco and a great winger.
May 2, 2009 at 12:50 PM |
Actually the best managers in the world do rotate their teams. You asked for a majo European manager who rotates, well there Rafa Benitez, he doesn’t roate and win the UCL at all. Alex Ferguson didn’t leave C. Ronaldo on the bench today at all. You really want me to list managers, because I can. Osorio does change things because certain matches require different formations. As I said earlier, we have had many injuries, surgeries, and suspensions. If you actually look at the players who were available to him, there was not as much rotation as you think.
You say he brings in all these Central and South Americans as if it’s a bad thing, but now you are ok with it if it’s the one you choose? Are you asking me if I think we can’t improve the line-up or if this line-up can win the championship? Those are different questions, can we improve? Yes. Can this team win? Yes. We have seen at certain points this season that we can dominate teams, that our team can play really well together, and actually score goals from passing sequences and not just set plays. As we saw in games last year, we can beat the best teams in MLS. I have faith in this team, in the players and staff, FO and coaching. I will be cheering them on tonight (from home) and not screaming for change after change.
May 2, 2009 at 1:29 PM |
“You say he brings in all these Central and South Americans as if it’s a bad thing, but now you are ok with it if it’s the one you choose? ”
First of all i didn’t say it was ok if it is the one player I choose, i just said that cristian castillo looks like a good player, he wants to leave his current club, and pacheco has been trying to lure him over here. Add on to all of that the fact that he plays left wing which happens to be our worst position rite now and so that makes him a good canditate. I don’t have anythign against these foreign players if they play well, but let’s look at who he has brought in so far ok
Rojas- not very good, occasionially moments of skill but ubi is a more solid player and i think the way he has been playign lately should earn hiim a start because rojas doesn’t get it done
Khano- i understand he didn’t bring him in with the intentions of him being a starter but come on why does he have to keep playing him, put in borman for him.
Pietrovallo- decent at time, horrendous at others fouls way to much.
Jimenez- good young player and now look he is gone
Cichero- huge dissapointment
Johnson- fouls constantly, two red cards in a total of about 90 minutes, always on the ground, a safer bet would be to use hall
Celdas- osorio didn;t bring this guy in, celadas contacted osorio and said he was coming to camp, if he gets healthy than we can see what he’s got.
My question to you wasn’t can we win DS, my question to you is can we win a championship with this team, because if we can’t than we have to risk what you say is “stability” in order to achieve that.
“I will be cheering them on tonight (from home) and not screaming for change after change.”
As i said before i always have supported this team no matter who owns it, i will be cheering on the team as well. I cheer for the players who give it a good go, but that isn’t saying that i don’t want some change in the team.
If just about every fan on this site sees the flaws in ororio’s formations and asks him to go with the strongest possible lineup, why is that he constantly misses the mistakes himself.
I can cheer for us to win and still say that we need to make improvements in order to be better, you make it seems as though by me wanting the FO to do a better job, or for us to get a different name, or whatever that i don’t support the team. You make it seem as though those are two contradictory statements when in reality they are not in the least.
The best managers in the world have reason to rotate their teams, they may do it because they have a champions league game coming up, or the players are injured, how ever if it is an ordinary game and ronaldo has been playing amazingly i don’t think your goign to see Alex Ferguson start someone else in his place. But that is what osorio does, if a player is injured fine, if a player is playing bad fine, if we have a good striker tandem in kandji and angel and we are playing our rivals DC united than i don’t really think it is a great idea to start someone esle in kandji’s place. Nor do i think it is good to make some stupid substitutions at the end of the game when we are playing just fine the way we were and than we end up losing argueable the worst lose in franchise history. Are you telling me a good coach does that kind of thing, becuase that isn’t the first time he has done something like that and it won’t be the last.
May 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM |
Despite what you read on Ives, you do not know everything that goes on. You don’t know if players are injured or what reasons they do not start or get taken off. Hall was injured on Sunday and had to come off. There wasn’t an appropriate sub on the bench, I think Osorio chose Pietra over Petke becuase of speed. And that isn’t what lost us the match. Conway did, he called for Pacheco to leave him the ball and then didn’t grab it. Is that Osorio’s fault? Every team has to rotate players, that is how it goes, and the press and fans are not always privy to the reasons why. If Kanji had a bit of a knock would you really want Osorio broadcasting it all over before the match? Hypothetically, if he had an injury, would you want DC knowing exactly where to kick him? I don’t know if he was injured, I do know that I don’t know all the facts. Can this team improve? Yes. Do I have faith in the current squad and coaching staff? Yes. Do I think this current 24 could win a championship? I do. Does that answer your question?
And in my opinion Pietra and now Carlos Johnson are targeting by refs because of a few situations when they first came into the league. When Pietra got a red in RSL last season it had nothing to do with the play. The ref saw blood on Mathis and gave Pietra the red after Mathis bent down and got his head in the way. If it was another player or a better ref it would not have been a card. These two have been unfairly judged. Cichero was bad, I agree. Jiminez wanted to go back to Mexico. Rojas was a proven player before he came here, but he’s been inconsistent in MLS, Ubi has been inconsistent his whole career so far. It’s really not the most strait forward choice. Hall is not a right back, clear and simple. He’s done well filling in, but that’s what he’s been doing, filling in. Khano has played poorly, but there must be something Osorio sees in practice every week that shows him that Khano is a better choice than Borman. I’m not at practice so I can’t say. Also, do you really know how Celades came to NY? Were you there? Or is it just some rumor? And if in fact it was because he contacted Osorio, well with all his experience in Real Madrid and Barca he must have seen something in Osorio and the rest of the team to want to stay. And you forgot Pacheco, Kandji and Mbuta, aren’t you fans of those players? Didn’t Osorio bring those in?
May 2, 2009 at 4:42 PM |
Hall may not be a right back but he has done well enought to earn that spot and you know it. That’s great if osorio sees something in khano in practice but in games the whole world can see that he has made the wrong chouce repetatively. Ubi may be on the incosistnet side but so far all the times he has been in games this year he has preformed well. I didn’t forget the pacheco, kadnji, and mbuta, i chose to point out all the mistakes osorio has made in scouting players. Those players have been success but even if those three have been success stories let’s look at the numbers 3 out of 8 players he has spent loads of money to bring in have been busts up to this point, and the verdict isn’t in on celdas yet. How do you know that isn’t how celadas came to new york, it wouldn’t make sense for osorio to contact him because A. no one knew celadas was going to continue playing soccer after he left his previos club, B. osorio and the rest of the league would have believed he would have been to much money considering the man played for barca, real madrid, and the spainish nationial team.
“If Kanji had a bit of a knock would you really want Osorio broadcasting it all over before the match?”
I’m not really sure what match your referring to but if your saying he didn’t start in DC becuase he may have had an injury than why would osorio put him in in the second half? Why didn’t osorio give woly the start over Oduro? Woly saved our ass many times in the playoffs yet he hasn’t seen the field.
You say every team has to rotate players but the most succesful teams Inter, Real, Barca, man u, they all have a set starting XI, we have not had one game so far this season were the starting XI has remained the same. Injuries are going to happen to any team your rite, but other teams find ways to deal with them and at least they are consistent with who they use to fill in for the injured players. Osorio on the other hand may have 2 or 3 players playing out of posotion sharing starting time to play for an injured starter.
May 2, 2009 at 5:49 PM |
Hall has played well, but he is not a right back. Ubi has played well, but so has Rojas this season. And it’s not 3 out of 8 are busts, Jiminez was not a bust, he played well besides one kick in Chicago. Rojas has been inconsistent but not a bust, Cichero was a bust, and I think Pietra has been, Khano hasn’t played well, but I think it will end up being alright, not good but alright. 2 busts, only a few really good buys, and a bunch of players that have came into the team and done a job. About Celades I dont know the circumstance, but if he did contact us and decided to come to camp and check is out, then he must have seen something in Osorio and the rest of the team to want to stay, because we all know it isn’t the money. I do not know why Woly didn’t start over Oduro, maybe Osorio thought Oduro was more similar a player to Kandji so he would be better to fill in. I don’t know if Kandji is injured or not, or if maybe he was only barely fit but made available in case we needed him. I don’t know, but neither do you.
Once again, you can’t say that the biggest teams have set starting XI’s. Please name be the ManU starting 11, or Liverpool, or Barca, or Real Madrid. There will be about 7-9 set players on each team that are guaranteed and then a few unknowns. ManU change their strikers all the time, and who is their starter at right back? Even if Nevelle was fit he wouldn’t start all the time. Liverpool don’t have set fullbacks at all. Barca rotate their defenders and midfield all the time. They do not have set starting XI’s at all. You know who does, Aston Villa, they have a set starting XI, but then again they ran out of gas in February and haven’t won in the last 9 in the league, last 12 in all competitions.
May 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM |
OK so basically you’re telling me the best teams in the world have a starting 9 or 8 rite? What do we have a starting 20? There’s a big difference there.
It doesn’t matter if Jimenez is a bust because he is gone now. Rojas has been anything but solid this year, he played well last week adn either average or sub par evey other night.
Everything else you and I have talked about ranging from kandji’s possible but not probible injury, to starting ubi, and not playing woly are all specualtion and opinions on both our parts.
What i can say is that most of the best teams in the world have their go to players and favored players, when players go down with injuries or they have a champions league game or whatever the lineups may look different, but our team on the other hand is constantly different, as a matter of fact I can almost guarantee you that at least 1 person will be playing out of position tonight or starting who has not started before. In all likelyhood There will be probibly be a few players rather than 1.
As for celadas he has been quoted saying he wanted to try mls out becuase it is something he knows nothign about. Obviously if he said he knows nothign about the mls than he must not know much about osorio. He probibly chose this team becuase New York is a big market and closer to spain for his family to visit.
I guess we will agree to disgree than and that’s fine with me but I don’t appreciate a select few people saying i contradict myself becuase obviously i don’t, and any way you want to look at it osorio has made far more mistakes than he should have, but than again maybe he is the tactical genius everyone has said he is, but so far he has done nothing to deserve that title.
May 2, 2009 at 10:23 PM |
We have a starting 7 or 8 I think. Angel, Conway, Stammler, Goldthwaite, Pacheco, Johnson, Richards, and maybe Kandji. I want Kandji to be in the starting XI, but I don’t know if that’s Osorio’s plan sadly. Then we have a few questions, the center of midfield, the other central defender, and the left mid. I will agree with you that at times he changes a little more than is necessary, but I don’t think it is at the complete detriment of his coaching ability. I am confident with him at the helm and I would like the team and fan to stick by him longer before asking for his head. The line-up looks pretty good for tonight, so we’ll see how it goes.
May 2, 2009 at 11:27 PM |
so far at the half i can already see that ubi is being cuaght out of position because he is pushing up to much, he is a natural attacking mid but osorio is trying to pair him at d mid with stammler, kandji is playing left mid and if you remeber against seattle he played on the wing and was largly unaffactive. Like Ubi he is being forced to come back to much although he wants to be up farther. Everyone else seems to be holding their own. Those are the two tactical errors i’ve spotted commited by osorio so far.
May 2, 2009 at 11:34 PM |
Another thing i’ve noticed, not a coaching error, but we are far to eager to play the long ball, besides rojas and ubi no one has really attempted to play on the ground, i’ve seen so many little give and goes we could make but it’s like we want to gain as much land as possible as quick as possible.
April 19, 2010 at 2:42 AM |
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